Lee-Enfield rifle 303 No.4 Mark 1. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 13:42, Post Method III ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. Unfired and as clean and bright as the day it was born in the Fazakerley Royal Ordnance Factory in Liverpool in 1954. Savage used variations of both a plain "s" and an "s" inside a Square. Essentially both types of sling present 3 loops, to form a better control on the stance with the firearm to hold and return to a sighting zero (natural point of aim) - I have personally experienced this in CMP competitions, where sling use during rapid fire is essential. Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century, British No. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. Inspection marks on the receiver ring. They would apply this mark to th butt heel - running along the axis of the rifle - red with the muzzle on the left. Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. All Enfield Rifles below are proofed and shoot ready. From 1943 onwards, Singer bayonets bore their dispersal code, N67. Barrel is 24 inch, five groove 1:10 right hand rifling. Per the contract and description Hollands were to remove the L / "flip" battle sight when present from the sending factory and replace it with one of their provided milled micrometer sights (either Singer Machine or Savage made and marked) - this would leave the rifle needing a new "zero" - a pass through an "Enfield Rest" test. 2018 at 7:33am: he! The safety latch style and M47C mark are of note as is the rear pad, flush slotted screw and interestingly the screw being staked at the top. "S" inside a square. Apr 25, 2010 #2 Threeband The M1 Does My Talking Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. Thanks. Other than the war time Hollands originals, some of these commercial sling swivels have been retrofitted onto Npo4Ts - probably in private hands. wide at the extremes. Lee Enfield books by Ian Skennerton - Ideal reference information Buy Now Of other interest - Wood and other Metal marks / stamps. The Sante Fe in the center was completely polished and blued by them to make a premium scoped sporter - they removed the original serial from the wrist and added their own by stamping through the bluing (original barrel serial is still present) this rifle may have picked up the fabricated safety spring at Santa Fe. BRITISH or CANADIAN WWII ENFIELD SLING or BREN used cond. In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). SMLE Mk1 Forestock. This suggests production by a private contractor that was paid according to the number of pieces accepted. The bayonet and socket were one solid forging. The Savage-Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts, made approximately 1.25million No. When these rifles were refurbished in the factory, they were given a second black oxidizing or they were painted with a matte or semigloss black paint in the spots where the original finish had worn off. not at all lol, from the markings I can find and other details would you guys say it's a long branch with a savage magazine? . Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. There is another marking forward of the breech, but its so small It wont come out well on a photograph, I wouldnt even hazard a guess at what the marking Is as it`s so small and unclear. II was otherwise identical to the Mk. They may or may not have the serial stamped into the front part of the fore-end and in the case of the Australian Lithgows it may be stamped into the butt as well. No. So they languished deep in the Weedon bunkers. 4 Mk. These were supplied to the British under the Lend-Lease Act. The last year observed on these sights using the SM mark is 1943 as per the right hand example, then the S69 code is used - again on major components (sight ladder (top left of the face), cursor (left side), elevation screw (top) and elevations screw nut (back). However, this has not been substantiated. According to Skennerton, more than 2 million Mk. A specific chapter in the new 'Lee-Enfield Rifles' update of the 1992 'Lee-Enfield Story' is devoted to Serial Numbers. The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. According to Graham Priest, on a rough scale of observations, he indicated that you see 100P.S.& S.Ltd for every circle mark; 150P.S.K for every circle mark, and 500N56 or unmarked for every circle mark. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($61.94) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $563.89 . They remained in use with select weapon platforms - the P14T / No3T as its name was changed) through to WW2. The front loop is for the forward hand - I like to use it to press the hand against the fore stock to enhance that firm fore-end grip that Enfield like - this front loop can also be adjusted for length to allow the right tautness from biceps to rifle body when in position. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". No4 Mk1 - DP - A safety lesson 2012: A DP marked rifle fired without first being completely dismantled or inspected after purchase by a new owner. The No. The longer bolt heads are worth significantly more than the shorter ones and are considerably harder to find. Something that looks like 12C456 or 12L345. 4Mk. Unlike other makers of No. These prefixes can be used to authenticate these rifles if found in a gun shop or personal collection. The very first Maltbys and BSA's produced their own and used the associated early marks for each (large B for BSA, stylized M for Maltby). 5 Mk 1, unofficially nicknamed "Jungle Carbine.". They are tight barrels. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". startxref The No4 Mk1 (T) rifles are pretty easy to verify as they were marked clearly on the wrist band, action and scope mounts. The significance of this mark is not known. Lee Enfield No4 Mk* Long Branch 1944 - SOLD No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1944 Serial KC25154 - Sold No4 Mk1 Maltby 1942 Serial M10655 - Sold No4 Mk1* Sterling 7.62mm Conversion - Sold AIA Lee Enfield M10-A1 Cal: 7.62x39mm - Sold Long Branch No4 Mk1* 1950 - Long Butt - SOLD No4 Mk1 7.62mm - SOLD No4 Mk1 BSA 1942 - Sold No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1942 - Sold The other makers were much less prolific. According to Skennerton, 25,000 experimental MkII scabbards were manufactured by the Franco-British Electrical Company, Tempel Park, Hurley. The Lee-Enfield No. 0000007555 00000 n I scabbard may have been made in the USA, given the lack of any maker's or proof marks. 4 was 44 12" long, weighed 8 lbs., 11 ozs., and had been adopted in 1939 to replace the Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)renamed the No. The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction - YouTube 0:00 / 22:26 Introduction The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction britishmuzzleloaders 83.5K subscribers Subscribe 10K 598K views. Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. 4 Mk. This indicates the length of the bolt head with the larger numbers being the longer bolt heads. The bayonet exhibits better finishing than most British No. So usually to get the old barrel off I cut a groove relief just forward of the receiver to relieve the pressure. III (substitute) scabbard with parallel sides and oval frog stud. %%EOF On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? In 1943, Prince-Smith was assigned the dispersal code N56. (125mm.) 4Mk. 4 spike bayonet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The swivel was to be "low turret" in design so that the sling body would be stopped by the existing magazine loop - this allowed the sling to be "locked" in a diagonal exit path off the fore end at an ideal angle to wrap the bicep and provide sling position options for better steadying in all positions. This No. 4 rifles and bayonets after Belgium was liberated in September 1944. These were originated for the No4 rifle design by Singer Machine Co, hence they are often referred to as a "singer sight". Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. I, with the bayonet and socket one solid forging. It retains the 10 round box detachable magazine, however the largest change to the rifle was the addition of a rear aperture sight. I* (T) were the standard WWII sniper rifles for the British and for the Commonwealth, except for Australia. However, these scabbards are encountered far too frequently for only 25,000 to have been made. Post British Lee-Enfield No4 Mk2 knife bayonet, scabbard and frog Dated 1949 P (RSAF Poole) 95.00. No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50, Post 2) A "F" on the flip-up brass disc on the butt plate 3) Four things that look like stars or asterisks on the bottom of the magazine. These included the Ross MK. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. Don(B3)RAOC Primary Pack. Two Swiss codes are noted. 1943 went up to 'BL'. "S" inside a square In practice and service, the size, position and shape of the cheekpiece was altered to suite the needs of the snipe that the rifle was designated for - these are an interesting study within themselves. Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Sniper Rifle (reproduction). 4Mk. II bayonets during the Korean War. Though, looking at the photos, it could mean the same. In the case of Savage Stevens the serial numbers began with a 0C1 and for Long Branch 0L1, these serials progressed in sequence directly relating the serial number to the number of rifles produced. British "Enfield" rifles are some of the most iconic small arms in the world. No idea what it means on a No.4. This article, "Exploded View: Lee-Enfield No. (SMLE rifles which became the No1 MkIII and No1 MkIII* in 1926) An Enfield Rifle No4 Mk1*, a No5 Mk1 and the aussie experimental No6 Mk1/1. 4 Mk. This example has a much finer finish on the socket than other No. Here are 2 genuine early, It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an, In the expert write ups, there is reference to the H&H contract use of an, Get email offers & the latest news from ArtioZen. The No. The "S" was added to indicate the need for this re-zeroing as a subsequent step. The front curved shape of the cheek piece was prone to splitting so finger inserts and repairs are often seen hear to keep the rifle working. Apart from the markings as stated above, you should take note of the woodwork. 4 spike bayonet. Other Components - By studying the few untouched (scopeless) No4Ts we can see which other No4T components came from other supplies to the BSA factory from 1941 to 1945. The pictures at left illustrate some of the forging marks. Commercially, in the United States, these rifles have not been widely available for some time, although nice unsporterized examples can still be found. II* over BEC N96, inside an oval (pictured at left). With Hitler's war machine on the move, the British needed an accurate, mass-production rifle. How to Use Classifieds - PLEASE READ FIRST ! by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post Baird marked their bayonets two different ways: Some No. The company was established on the bombed out site of the South East London Indoor Sports Club (destroyed in the blitz bombings of 194041), solely to make bayonets. TRIGGER Lee Enfield British Enfield No.4 Mk. The final result in March 1944 became the No. You are using an out of date browser. The remnants of the wartime marking are lined through and the new marking applied above. Date of Manuf: .303 isn't any different that anything else. No5 rifles (Jungle Carbines) serial numbers consisted of a sequential 4 digit number starting with 0001 running through to 9999, the numbers were preceded by a letter prefix. This example bears the Canadian Government acceptance mark, indicating use by Canadian Forces. Moncton, N.B. Subcontractors produced many of the No. We set ourselves apart by supplying unique parts at a good value and standing by our products by offering outstanding customer service. A sniper? 4 Mk. Note that not all FTR rifle were converted. 0000000016 00000 n 4) Several arrow looking things located all over the rifle These specific letter prefixes were assigned to ROF Fazakerley and BSA Shirley, the only two manufacturers of the No5 rifle, this ensured that there would be no duplicate serials during the production run of No5s. The No. Thanks to inter-war development, an improved and simplified design was waiting in the wings, and the No. ,DTvb5@ kg:v%A$6%#,6J,q]+9 V ,,mD$\"L3-p0$z2 cC+`i`,pIt jns;Nt=_e9AA r ^G? 2. Even the spring plunger is a stamping. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. No. The No. The latter will have an engraving on the flat side of the receiver which will read something like (taking one of my rifles as an example), F(FTR)49. It is found on early rifles that saw full service (1941 Maltby - un-peened pad screws evident), It is on unissued "scopeless" rifles from 1944 and on later "scopeless" and service experienced 1945 rifles. Among the markings on the No. 4 Mk. Method: 1 The Short, Magazine Lee Enfield (SMLE) delivered sterling service from the mud of Flanders to the farthest reaches of the Empire. The other day I bought a No.4 mk1 Lee Enfield from a gun shop and I need some help identifying it. The box label indicates that these were packed July 8, 1957, at the 5th Storage Depot, Moncton, New Brunswick. 0000013109 00000 n There are fewer finer rifles that are a pleasure to own, enjoy and shoot than the peacetime made Lee Enfield No4 Mk2. The easiest way to identify a "Jungle Carbine" rifle is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver; a genuine No. 4 Mk1 (T) sniper . I've been privileged to shoot Lee-Enfield rifles before and have always found them to be worthy of their reputation as well built, accurate rifles. The Indian plant stamped their own serial number into the top of the receiver. 0000001613 00000 n More likely then not,it started life at the Long Branch plant. With the bayonet fixed, the helve was used to probe for land mines. Many, but not all, maker and subcontractor marks are illustrated. The No. So if you have a genuine Maltby T - it was converted in 1941 and a little into 1942 at H&H while stocks lasted - typically Maltby "Ts" are nearly always 1941 dated - a 1942 example that is genuine has yet to be documented. These included a number of folding bayonets intended to remain fixed to the rifle. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . These later T's often went into stock as "Scopeless" - a rifle in a transit chest as a spare part - awaiting a need and the addition of a scope and bracket - plus all the other CES. When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. 1 various markings. SMLE rifle manufacturers were given no serial ranges to begin or end production with, so it is possible that two rifles may exist with the same serial number produced at different factories. The British MoD was running short of scope brackets and cheek pieces as it started the L42 service extension program so new surplus examples are rare on the ground. As interest in replacing the No. 4 (T) 303 BRITISH SNIPER RIFLE 1944 . I read that BO would indicate early 1944. 1 for the British military. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. Any stock of the P14 cheek pieces would have been transferred to the 4T program - first built by Enfield Lock and then by Hollands - it is not clear when these transitioned to new made cheek pieces. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Like the SMLE an all matching No4 or No5 will have all the serial numbers matching wherever they are found on a particular rifle. Magazine is 10 round factory issue, 10+1 rounds . Marked US Property , Gun is in exceptional condition. 4 Mk. ownership marking. That looks like an interesting rifle. Is, until the government created the dispersal codes in 1943. The serial would be correct for early 1944 if it started with a "3" - was the "1" added somewhere else? II* socket bayonet was used in Iraq during the Second World War and by the Iraqi Army after the end of British occupation in 1947. 0000002767 00000 n Then after the lessons and material losses of the BEF in Europe, the No4T was hurried into existence and the 1907 USA leather slings were applied to it as standard equipment. Entrenching tool with helve (handle) that accepts the No. 4 Mk. The period of manufacture is believed to be late-1940s or early-1950s. 0000002861 00000 n When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. Prior to the Great War (World War One, WWI, 1914-1919), the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield (SMLE) left the factory with a buttstock marking disc, a small, removable piece of brass inletted into the right side of the buttstock; a place for the Unit Armourer to stamp a unit identification. II was, by far, the most numerous variant, with over 3.3million units produced. 1 Mk. The British No. by verdenpark 23 Mar 2012, 07:54, Post Known Issues: PA 3rd Person broken (Wont fix) Tape clipping. trailer The No. It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an "X" mark on the upper left flat on top of the left fore end that holds the receiver wall. N30 (pictured at left) Howard & Bullough converted from the manufacture of cotton spinning machines to the production of shells, gun carriages, mine sinkers, aircraft components, and bayonets. Weight fully loaded with sling was eight pounds even and overall length a handy 39.5 inches. Based on a 1944 Maltby rifle. "S" This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. II bayonets packaged in a cardboard carton. by The_Enigma 29 Mar 2012, 15:46, Post My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". 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