I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he It's fascinating. Webplanet earth. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Investigating The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? McDaid, Liam. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. The cartographer took all such factors into account. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. You guessed it -- Sirius! More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The aliens came here The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. I wonder. The Dogon and Sirius. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org]
According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to % Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). 11.1. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. astronomical information. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) Dwarfs and Little Green Men". The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. "Lecture 1st What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. But was anything left out? The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. extraterrestrial visitors? of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". No such nebula is seen. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." no conclusions of any kind." The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. 2000. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. van Beek, Walter E. A. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. myths by confabulation." Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. Most important, no one, even within the circle The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Review. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Try my free online Rune Readings! This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Press J to jump to the feed. I disagree wit deeee72. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. fifty years. Sagan, Carl. Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
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