The wide variety of stunts are designed to make backs read holes that are not there, causing them to run right into the mike or backer who have moved across the formation to meet the back in the hole. Adobe d C Darryl Tapp has been a career backup. Ultimately, we will see Maddy and Derek Hopkins starting, with Marshall coming in for Maddy on most passing downs. The one-gap 4-3 is a little more similar to the Hokies in that each defensive front 7 has gap responsibility, but in the NFL almost never does the radical stunting that the Hokies perform (the NFL lines are good enough to adjust and drive the stunting linemen off the ball.). They've only had a few with an NFL frame, and none of them worked out. Lets go through the sequence that takes place in the 20-30 seconds between the end of one play and the next snap. The scheme is also simpler to execute because the players are aligned based on ball position, rather than on the strength of the offensive formation. Hope that VT keeps getting playing making athletic DTs that can get off blocks and penetrate in interior gaps in order to take D to next level. In an 8-man front, the Rover will rotate up closer to the line of scrimmage and align as the fourth linebacker. What VT plays most against pro-style teams is Inverted Cover 2 Robber, but the deep cover guys are the Cornerbacks, not the safeties. They know where to be and they know how to adjust more quickly to formation shifts and motion. The legendary defensive coordinator stepped away after the 2019 season, but his . When the 8th man entered the box, the passing game opened up. our dline is deep this season and will be dominant. The Whip responsibilities seem to change as much as the skillsets of the players in the position. His upside is higher than Collins, but Collins is a much more instinctual player at this point. Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. Virginia Tech uses both their base look (which features each lineman and linebacker having gap responsibility for the gap in front of them) or a more radical stunting approach based on the talent Foster has available. Foster's defense is always going to be well-coached, and being well-coached puts players where they need to be, but you still need some talent to beat better OLs even if the defenders are where. I remember seeing our defensive philosophy torched about ten years ago. French on the Bench is a new series of posts that will take a closer look at the theory, fundamentals, and scheme of Tech's offense and defense. With those 3-4 wide formations, they could isolate a quick, speedy receiver in man coverage against Techs Backer and Rover to the strong side of the formation. Access Exclusive Content and Financially Support The Key Play. The architect of Tech's famed Lunch Pail Defense, Foster was the longest continually tenured FBS assistant coach at the same school at the time of his retirement in 2019. pretty cool to look back on it from time to time. I want to focus on one, what has made teams successful against the Virginia Tech run defense? Also, because of the rather shorter depth of the Safeties, you can attack their run reads directly with a vertical route directly at them, like a Post or Go route up the seam. To counter these offensive trends, Bud Foster made some adjustments to the base defense after the 2003 season. Engleberger wasn't a bust. It is actually not a 4-3 base, as its introduced on your TV sets, but is a 4-4 front that has morphed into using 4-3 personnel. This 4-3, 2-high safety base set gets the defense in a much better pre-snap position to defend offenses that like to use a lot of spread or 3-4 wide formations. 3) I think it does hurt recruiting elite out of state prospects. Even more bedeviling to teams that use pro-style running games, Foster uses a huge variety of stunts, hard slants, and linebacker blitzes to "funnel" the ball carrier right into an unblocked defensive player. From the coaches in the booth, to the coaches on the sideline, to the players on the field, to the pre-snap adjustments; that is a lot of communication and it is pretty much non-stop in those 20-30 seconds between each play. Hosley was excellent enough to execute the design up there with the very best ball hawk the Hokies have had. Hopefully he has a breakthrough year. I have read it many times in the past. I think they use the same DE rotation as last year, with Wilson and McCray playing every 4th series and Marshall getting some snaps at tackle and end. What are the differences between what Tech does and a traditional NFL 4-3?? This is very important information that is communicated by the coaches in the booth to the coaches on the sideline. In addition to these types of coverage adjustments, there may be front and pressure adjustments made by the defense as well. One breakdown or miscommunication and the other team could be in the end zone. Flowers, Hall, and Green have been starters. If our defense is designed to "funnel" the ball carrier to certain positions I could see some recruits not liking that. The primary adjustments were to go to a base 2-high safety set (as discussed earlier), with the Whip up as a linebacker full time and the Rover back as a safety in most alignments. "#()%$%%! . Call 1-800-GAMBLER. this is the best stuff and why i love TKP .. i know that teams use our schemes against us in recruiting but i love how the giants and their smaller, more athletic dline core, is being looked at by coach bud. All original material and images are copyrighted by TechSideline.com and may not be reused or reprinted without permission. The diagram below uses numbers to identify each gap. The defensive call in combination with the personnel group establishes the specific pass coverage responsibilities for the defense. After that Boyd was able to find quick check downs due to loose coverage. Seems to me it would be a waste of time unless they are going to use him at DE. It was difficult for offenses to determine how many were blitzing and how many were dropping into coverage. He's as genuine as they come. Each player in the front 7 has a certain gap responsibility, but unlike other 4-3 and 3-4 base defenses, the defenders often stunt to a gap and hold their position rather than pursuit to the ball. Remember that what I am describing in this series is at the 5,000 foot level. Cover 4 is technically a zone defense, but plays like M2M and often ends up looking just like the normal Cover 2 youre used to visualizing. You get what you get with Bud Foster, there isn't much grey area in his persona. Nekos was pretty average size for a Hokie DE (McCray is the biggest it seems like we have had since Chris Ellis), but neither Brown nor Graves fit the new prototype of NFL type 6'6 265 DE's and 6'4 310 3-4 DE's or 4-3 DT's that we see in the SEC. Odds & lines subject to change. The Rover is an OLB who plays more coverage, like a SS. The Stanford tight ends (who were all NFL caliber blocking tight ends) were then matched up with the weakest member of the Hokie front seven, in this case, Jeron Gouveia-Winslow. In fact, since he arrived in Blacksburg in 1995, the Hokies have led all FBS programs in sacks (894) and sack yardage (-6,110). The dominant defenses in Tampa Bay of the late 90's early 2000's allowed Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice to get up field as the method for controlling their gaps. Likewise, the End, Backer, Boundary Corner, and Rover always align toward the short side of the field. http://www.playbookexchange.net/playbooks/Defense/02060201-VirginiaTechAttack.pdf. If your slot recognizes it and runs a slant, the FS has to hustle to get there and take that away. Combining elements from each scheme is what gives the 4-2-5 its versatility. So obviously if it doesn't work the scheme breaks down because it also means not being able to pressure the offense and the QB into poor decisions. From the formation, they know the passing strength of the offense and based on that they will slide their respective alignments accordingly (still within the basic alignments defined by ball position). If one DL gets blown out of the hole, it creates problems for every other defender. And based on the history of Bud Fosters defenses, its likely that the play is stuffed. Mr. Hokie Cody Grimm was moved to the secondary (which is funny given that pass coverage was his greatest weakness as a Hokie.) It depends on which version of the 4-3. It is generally made with a 2i-technique on the weakside (Wide 6) and a 3-technique strongside (Split 6), so its quite close to the Over front (1 tech weak, 3-tech strong). Watching film of South Carolina against Clemson, South Carolina absolutely manhandled the Clemson OL, the same OL that manhandled the Hokies in the 2nd half of the ACC CG. With two CBs outside you basically have 6 ways it can work without changing the call. So now the first question to come to mind is "How do they even handle spread teams when they can have 8 or 9 men in the box?". Spoilers). Many defenses set the alignment of their players based on sides of the ball (ie, left and right) or formation strength (ie, which side the TE is on). Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. TechSideline.Com )jlOkD0 Nzlk}nGr(eancz#pC)vg`gd>fX&qb' h3L88ihTy%B|1ebUX9T ";*KM UNC had those guys, FSU has those guys, and that is about it in the SEC. Oh, and lets not forget the secret weapon. The wide side is called the field and the short side is called the boundary. The 60-year-old Foster, who has been with the Hokies since 1987 and has served as defensive coordinator since 1995, is currently the longest-tenured assistant coach in the FBS. There are two inside linebackers in the 4-4 scheme sometimes known as the Mike and Buck linebackers. The boundary, field, and rover all have pass coverage. Watkins is usually Fieldside. I was getting confused reading the comments and didn't see they were from 5 years and 12 months ago. Defensive Alignment in the Four-Four In the 90's, Bud Foster used two alignments with the 4-4 defense. It is actually a base 4-4 front. Also, in goal line and short yardage, the backer and blitz the gap to try to blow the play in the backfield playside. The Hokies switch between man and cover 3. Quarterbacks, seeing the odd space develop, are often easily baited into throwing seam routes against this coverage. Instead, the coverage responsibility for that motioning receiver will be handed off to a defender already aligned on the other side of the field. Will having a healthy and complete team be enough? Learn how to identity the Bear and understand how it accomplishes its goal. More and more NFL coaches are blending the 4-3 and 3-4 concepts and scheme. The Hokies used a base 8-man front the majority of the time. Why are we sometimes successful (last year 2nd half) and sometimes not so successful (09 second half)? How will VT defend against teams like Stanford and other NFL caliber offenses? Cover 6 goes well with the pressure fronts they like to show. This "Field G" is mostly what Virginia Tech is in nowadays. I understand explaining that might as well be another post but it would be facinating stuff. The amount of zone and safe coverages they play really is determined by the ability of the line, mike, and backer to stop the run. *:JZjz ? -- French. Rece Davis. Next Up: All of those confusing pass coverages. http://hamptonroads.com/2012/06/ask-another-teams-beat-writer-clemson. And you can quote me on that shit!" On this play against UVA, the Hokies are playing a base front. Most teams go play side or bootleg with play action, but Clemson (in old 1930's single-wing style) would have the Tajh fake, then continue to waggle a step playside. This book features Bud Foster, Defensive Coordinator at Virginia Tech; Chris Ash, Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State; Mickey Matthews, former Head Coach at James . VT shifts their G front to the Field side as well into a 4-3, whether its weak or strong, which gives them 3 fronts in the base package. a !1AQa"q2B#$Rb34rC%Scs5&DTdEt6UeuF'Vfv7GWgw(8HXhx )9IYiy I played in the pre-2004 VT defense in HS at Westfield which was also a popular defense with Oakton/Robinson and I guess now South County which has Bendorf. Following Michael Cole's injury, Foster mostly used the old "46" alignment made famous by Buddy Ryan and the Chicago Bears. Mike: The Mike backer (Jack Tyler) lines up directly over the center, and blitzes against the flow of the play to fly through the 1-3 gap. We will look at the Hokies pass defense in more detail in a later post. Clemson started to rise after that game, and we started to fall. Frenchgreat new addition to TKP! OT: "The Mandalorian" S3 discussion thread (feat. Stanford understands that the whip most often will line up to the weak side of the defense. Remember getting gashed repeatedly by just about everybody we played? Instead of taking on offensive linemen as a run stuffing linebacker, he was used more to play containment or run blitz off the edge. If NFL type DT's wouldn't fit BF's scheme then what's the use of trying to recruit guys like an Andrew Brown? Sadly, the wide tackle six approach saw it's end as the Hokies were decimated by sophisticated passing attacks from the 2002 Gator Bowl through Aaron Rodgers legalized murder of the secondary in the 2004 Insight Bowl. Otherwise (because the linebackers don't immediately scrape and pursue to the ball) there will be large holes and tremendous pressure on safeties to make the tackle. Ball position refers to the position of the ball relative to the hash marks. It wasn't ideal. It offers some terrific insight into the Hokie mindset at that time. I'd have to double check but I'm fairly certain Wiles even said he is the starter going into August camp because his players don't lose their starting jobs due to injury. At the time, the Whip and Rover were described as hybrid players that had combination linebacker/defensive back responsibilities. Gambling problem? The stud end is outside eye of the tackle strong side, and the end is outside eye of the tackle on the weakside. So opposing coaches will tell a kid he'll have a better shot of making it to the NFL if he plays in a "NFL-style" 4-3. A 46 is by definition a "Bear" front, but to use "Bear" does not necessarily mean a 46 defense. Bud, a divorcee, married Jessie in February on Super Bowl Sunday, about four months after the hospital scare and around the time discussion began about him retiring. They do not run blitz as much with him in the lineup, however he is used just as much on mike dog pass blitzes (at points he was their most dangerous pass rusher as a blitzer last year.). Fosters defense is always going to be well-coached, and being well-coached puts players where they need to be, but you still need some talent to beat better OLs even if the defenders are where they need to be. For example, a corner will not follow a motioning receiver across the field, even if it is man coverage. He had to use less of the C2R and more Cover 4. Even the best (Brown- moved to LB, Worilds- moved to LB, Tapp- non-descript backup, Engleberger-bust, Moore- bust, Price- nada) didn't make an impact. It also put the Whip and Rover in better positions to be successful. It is even more stunning given how horridly Miami's D was against the Hokies. The Hopkins brothers, Maddy, and looking back at Barry Booker, Jonathan Lewis, and others all sort of fit that mold. An example are the Virginia Tech teams of Frank Beamer and Justin Fuente, with Bud Foster serving as defensive coordinator under both. 3) Finally, as stated in #2 above, this seems to be a heavy run control D and if we don't have super talented CB's who can cover their man without help we could get burned in the passing game real quick. Tech makes that difficult because there is a hand off of responsibilities as the offense shifts or motions out from one passing strength to another. I have had some great question both here and on twitter about some of the nuances of the defense. When Fuller took over whip, it seemed like that balance flipped, with the Whip finishing on more blitzes and the Mike not filling up the pass-rush stat column as much. VT couldn't stop the run against Stanford. We will review the scheme adjustments that were made following the 2003 season and the impact they have had. The DB's align based on secondary alignment rules. By keeping the tight ends and running backs in to block, offenses could buy additional time to go to their wide receivers running down the field against single, man-to-man coverage. Most teams change alignments and will stunt occasionally, but nobody trys so much to funnel types of running plays to linebackers. Hopefully Logan will have improved his accuracy to be able to make them pay for it. The results of these adjustments speak for themselves. The offensive personnel or personnel group is the makeup of offensive skill positions for any given play. WHIP often creeps up because he usually gets a 1 on 1 matchup with the RB in coverage. Its a bit like a Tampa 2 defense, where the MLB drops back deeper in zone over the middle with 2 safeties behind, except that here youre dropping the FS down instead of backing up the MLB. Instead he will look to plant and dive straight ahead for the inside of the 6 gap or the 4 gap, or he will plant and cut back to the center gap. He had to make the Rover less a run-defender and more of a full-time DB, a SS in laymans terms. Playing in a college system that emphasizes skillset diversity is actually a good thing. Bud Foster is the former longtime Virginia Tech Defensive Coordinator where he spent 33 seasons coaching. Going into last season, there was legitimate concern about Brenden Hill playing a position that had become more defined as a linebacker, but he proved that a player of his physical abilities could be productive as a Whip as well if he handled his assignments correctly. Normally, it will be one of the linebackers that will communicate any adjustments to the defensive front call or blitz call. The Backer disguises, looking like he is scraping play-side, but in reality, he is filling the interior of the 6 gap. See Tim Tebow (or Pat White at WVU.) While they are both still hybrid type players, their responsibilities are more confined. Shop fresh Hokies gear at TKP sponsor Homefield. For this example, here is a pre-snap diagram of a likely defensive set against a 12 personnel group (one RB, two TEs, two WRs). Tackle: The Tackle (Derrick Hopkins) lines up as a 3 technique, outside eye of the backside guard. When they play 46 front, its mostly man/man, because its a pressure front like the Under we use. Most of the comments were centered on the adjustments to the Whip and Rover positions, so I wanted to revisit that and clarify some points in those areas. I am not sure where Antoine fits, but I find it hard to believe he will beat out Maddy with Maddy's excellent spring. The tackle will cross the face of the guard and the center, and fill the 2 gap, originally vacated by the Nose. Registered users can participate in the forum, post and vote on comments. Great write up French! When things went well, a Hokie game featured numerous sacks, tackles for losses, interceptions, and the band wearing out the theme from Empire Strikes Back. I think that with their recruiting getting better, Foster may change. HT-T5632U0 BcD\^}O##|^ endstream endobj 13 0 obj 45 endobj 10 0 obj << /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Name /I22 /Filter /DCTDecode /Width 32 /Height 3 /BitsPerComponent 8 /ColorSpace /DeviceGray /Length 11 0 R >> stream However, in the Ravens 2 gap 4-3 that they ran in their Super Bowl season, Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams only job was to keep the interior line off Ray Lewis. When fans get their first glimpse of the Hokies this spring, they will see a huge degree of Bud Foster influence in Brent Pry's defensive scheme. Every defensive player in the front seven has a "gap" responsibility in every defense that is called. This column was more about the run defense, so I can work on drawing up some plays and video that shows how Clemson neutralized the Hokies in a future piece. We were tiny on D in 2010. I would go so far as to say Miami was the worst defense the Hokies played all year. Part 1 covered some basic concepts, including a description for each defensive position. How many Hokies have become elite corners in the NFL? He started 79 games over an 8 year career. In terms of positions, the Stud, Whip, Mike, Field Corner and Free Safety always align toward the wide side of the field. You can't develop an NFL caliber lineman. The design of the defense is set up to allow the Mike, Whip, or Stud DE to make the play. They have to get Maddy, Marshall, and McCray in there to dominate rather than having read and react play from Wilson and Collins (at tackle.). There are a number of factors that the coaches consider when setting the defense from play to play. For more details about the site, including a list of TechSideline.com staff, see our About page. But after several seasons of getting pounded into the turf by the Tech defense, teams began to spread things out and use more 3-4 wide receiver formations to isolate certain match-ups. Change alignments and will be one of the field, and looking at... 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