Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. Their theory was very shaky. I care about what was said at trial. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. (LOL!! The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. I will not remove anything. It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. Do you remember probably about four or five days after Right?? A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. Cathleen was murdered in Feb. 1982 in her home in Brighton. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. It was not unlike brainwashing. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' Three weeks after the crime, Judge Foote from family courts, removed Danny and Christie from the care of Diane Downs and her family. I was always really bothered by that. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. . I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? Speculative. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. They were treated very badly in this matter. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. How.. they attacked him. The woman shot her children. Did u learn nothing?? Or be mentally ill. You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. Shes guilty. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). 2. I feel sorry for Diane too. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. There were many problems with her trial and that matters. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. I say these things if I were on the jury. I go fishing with a jurors husband. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. It goes on and on. The prosecutor didn't even know that after the Mother's Day road rage incident in 2020, Rivas was charged in Maryland with leaving the scene of another accident involving bodily injury. It was known as Manic Depression. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. Is there any update? They would have tried to reopen the case. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. I still dont buy her story. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. A. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. So Mark, where are you from? I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? Shes where she belongs. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. It would never happen todaynever. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. Same with her brother. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. They examined her clothes also. A long long time ago. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? It means you dont orphan the kids. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. You hit the nail right on the head. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Im sorry but your article is tosh. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. I didnt know that. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. Sad situation. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. The strong, emotive language. Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. The old toilet block which could be replaced by a cafe (Image: Adam Postans) A new caf planned for the Downs in Bristol would likely be blocked by a 160-year-old Victorian law . Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. Lockdowns in . So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. Diane downs. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. I agree on many points with your comment. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? (Yes, speculative). Is it too late to respond to this? In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. We make them president!!!! Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Mission accomplished. She followed all the correct Parole Boardprocedures for two years with no hearing. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. Thanks for the link. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. Of course. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. But in my opinion, it shows how Diane was disturbed and could also have found a better path in life if given the chance and the right support. Her other daughter and son were severely injured. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. Q. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. 3. 3. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). Wow. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. This was very stressful. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Inflammatory and speculative Messed. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. How about dads side of the family? It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. 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