This is not a problem. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, We say, Oh, I want to write about this flower. And then we say, Why this flower? And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. Tippett: I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. and what I do not say is: I trust the world to come back. Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. And I think its in that category. and you forget how to breathe. Many of us were having different experiences. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. like something almost worth living for. What was it? Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Oh, definitely. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. A friend If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. And this, it turns out, is also a primary source of his tethering in values. Youll see why in a minute. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. We understand love as the most reliably transformative muscle of human wholeness, and we investigate the workings of love as public practice. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. And that is so much more present with us all the time. But its about more than that. We hold each other. Tippett: As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. Too high for most of us with the rockets So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. And I always thought it was just because I had to work. no hot gates, no house decayed. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. If you think about it, its not a good, song. That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. And poetry, and poetry. We want to orient towards that possibility. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. I think I enjoy getting older. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. She created and hosts the public radio program and podcast On Being . Okay, Im going to give you some choices. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. Limn: And to feel that moment of everyone recognizing what it is to kind of look out for one another and have to do that in the antithesis of who we are, which was to separate. I could. We nurture virtues that build muscle memory towards sustained new realities including generous listening, embodied presence, and transformative relationship across backgrounds and lived experience. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Limn: Yeah. I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. Two entirely different brains. But at a deeper level, she says, we are trapped in a pattern of distress known as high conflict where the conflict itself has become the point, and it sweeps everything into its vortex. We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. We just ask questions. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and . the collar, constriction of living. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. the truth is every song of this country And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. I am asking you to touch me. Woodworking and the meaning of life. Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. Black bark, slick yellow leaves, a kind of stillness that feels We want to rise to what is beautiful and life-giving. Musings and tools to take into your week. the date at the top of a letter; though This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world. kitchen tables, two sets of rules, two It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Deeper truths and larger stories of ourselves as societies, as a planet, as humans, that at once complicate and enliven our capacity to live with dignity and joy and wholeness. Limn: I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. And place is always place. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and the Art of Living by Krista Tippe at the best online prices at eBay! Tippett: Yeah. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. Exit So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. We speak the language of questions. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). We have never been exiled. When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. Page 87. that thered be nothing left in you, like, until every part of it is run through with, days a little hazy with fever and waiting, for the water to stop shivering out of the. Limn: Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. [laughter] I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. should write, huge and round and awful. I cannot reverse it, the record Where being at ease is not okay. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. No, to the rising tides. Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . And it often falls apart from me. of the kneeling and the rising and the looking The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Limn: Yeah. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. Tippett: So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. Ive got a bone Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain And so I have. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk about poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. Limn: Not the Saddest Thing in the World, All day I feel some itchiness around I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. The Adventure of Civility. But I love it. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. Listen Download Transcript. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. Theres whole books about how to breathe. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. And I knew that at 15. In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. This might be hard for some of you right here. Yeah. Yeah. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. Limn: Yeah. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. what a word, what a world, this gray waiting. creeks, two highways, two stepparents Thats page 95. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. What a time to be alive, adrienne maree brown has written. Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. Subscribe to the live your best life newsletter Sign up for the oprah.com live your best life newsletter Get more stories like this delivered to your inbox Get updates on your favorite . It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. Because how do we care for one another? And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. With. It suddenly just falls apart, and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. . and hand, the space between. the ground and the feast is where I live now. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt, and what I do not say is: I trust the world to come back. When you open the page, theres already silence. Why did I never see it for what it was: Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. You may also catch references to things seen and witnessed throughout the event including a stunning opening poem by our dear friend Maria Popova, composed of On Being show titles which you can take in fully by viewing the recorded celebration in its entirety on our YouTube channel. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. red helmet, I rode by being seen. We envision a world that is more fluent in its own humanity and thus able to rise to the great challenges and promise of this century. And they would say, I dont want to go to yoga. And I was like, Why? And they said, I just dont want anyone telling me when to breathe.. Would you read this poem, The End of Poetry, which I feel speaks to that a bit. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. Before the divorce. I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over Harley at seven years old. Dacher Keltner and his Greater Good Science Center at Berkeley have been pivotal in this emergence. and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. Alice Parker is a wise and joyful thinker and writer on this truth, and has been a hero in the universe of choral music as a composer . Definitely. Her presence on that stage was electric. "On Being," a weekly interview show about the mysteries of human existence, hosted by Krista Tippett, airs on nearly 400 public radio stations, with more than half a million weekly listeners . And so I gave up on it. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. On Being with Krista Tippett. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. scratched and stopped to the original This poem is featured in Ada's On Being conversation with Krista, "To Be Made Whole.". Limn: and you forget how to breathe. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. In her Peabody-award winning public radio show and podcast, On Being, Krista Tippett provides a space for deep and meaningful conversations with profound thi. Yet her lifelong struggle with Crohns Disease and her pioneering work with cancer patients shaped her view of life. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats . Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, . She hosted On Being on the radio for about two decades. We touch each other. So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. of age. With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. So we have to do this another time. Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. They bring us together with others, again and again. If you are here, you are likely already part of this. Musings and tools to take into your week. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high We inhabit a liminal time between what we thought we knew and what we cant quite yet see. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Which makes me laugh, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. 25 Sep. 2014. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. Krista Tippett leaves public radio. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. Its the , Limn: We literally. We read for sense. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. Starting Thursday, February 2: three months of soaring new On Being conversations, with an eye towards emergence. Tippett: I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. teeth right before they break 4.07 avg rating 5,187 ratings published 2016 20 editions. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Who am I to live? Right? My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. Krista Tippett. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. Ive been reading Ada Limn for years, and was so happy when she was named the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, The Hurting Kind. into anothers green skin, Nick Offerman has played many great characters, most famously Ron Swanson in Parks and Recreation, and he starred more recently in an astonishing episode of The Last of Us. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. Editor's note: This Q&A has been adapted from the podcast "Interfaith America with Eboo Patel.". And we all have this, our childhood stories. This conversational nature of reality indeed, this drama of vitality is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. In 2014, Tippett was awarded the National Humanities Medal by U.S. President Barack Obama . Good, good. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. would happen if we decided to survive more? April 4, 2008. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. even the tenacious high school band off key. several years later and a changed world later. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. Shes teaching me a lesson. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. And then I would be like, Okay, I was there. And the next day Id wake up and be like, Well, I was there yesterday. Thats so wonderful. To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. It wasnt used as a tool. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. All year, Ive said, You know whats funny? was like that. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. joy, foundational, that brief kinship of hold And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National, Anthem. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. is so bright and determined like a flame, squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover, has lost everything, when its not a weapon, when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly, you can keep it until its needed, until you can, love it again, until the song in your mouth feels, like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung. Yeah. 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